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PostedFri, 14 Jul 2023 07:53:51 GMTbyChristopher Errington

HiI am dual citizen UK and US, presently resident and domiciled in the UK , recently retired and now receive my US Social Security which is not taxed in the US had I been resident. Do I declare this amount on my self Assessment and if so can I claim relief under Article 17 of the tax treaty.

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PostedWed, 19 Jul 2023 12:14:19 GMTbyHMRC Admin 32

Hi,

Article 17(3) of the UK/USA Double Taxation Treaty stipulates that payments made by one of the Contracting States under the provisions of its social security or similar legislation to a resident of the other Contracting State will be taxable only in the other Contracting State. As a resident of the UK, you should therefore declare your US Social Security pension in the foreign pages of your Self Assessment tax return. As no US tax will have been deducted from your pension, no Foreign Tax Credit Relief can be claimed.

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Thank you.

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PostedWed, 19 Jul 2023 14:07:42 GMTbyChristopher Errington

Thank you for your reply.Perhaps I am being naive, but while I was resident in the US my social security was not a taxable benefit, so why would it become taxable now I have moved back to the UK.

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PostedThu, 26 Oct 2023 12:28:12 GMTby

I am in a similar position and also wonder why social security is taxable as it is a benefit, I know it's similar to traditional pension but not entirely. As the USA doesn't tax it, then why does the uk? Is it seen as income?

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PostedTue, 31 Oct 2023 11:57:06 GMTbyHMRC Admin 10

Hi
This has been determined by legislation and the double taxation treaty.

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PostedWed, 01 Nov 2023 11:29:50 GMTbyChristopher Errington

HiCould you please forward the legislation or provide a link to the mentioned legislation

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PostedThu, 02 Nov 2023 13:47:16 GMTbyHMRC Admin 32

Hi Christopher,

You can find guidance here:

USA: tax treaties

Thank you.

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PostedThu, 18 Jan 2024 10:04:57 GMTby

So, is the HMRC specifically saying that a US Soc Sec Benefit/Pension IS taxable. If so, what is the relevant tax amount ?

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PostedMon, 22 Jan 2024 11:17:39 GMTbyHMRC Admin 32

Hi,

Please refer to Article 17.

Uk/USA Double Taxation Agreement - 2002

Income would be converted to sterling and taxed at your mariginal rate depeding on any other taxable income received.

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Why are Americans getting $4800 from Social Security? ›

The fundamental goal of $4800 social security payment 2024 is to help citizens cope up with increased cost of living. No matter what all benefits you are receiving, this retirement check is yours. All those people who get their Social Security benefits 2024 every month are also getting these checks.

What are two of the main problems with Social Security? ›

Among its primary defects is that Social Security discriminates against single heads of household who work, pay taxes, raise children, and yet get lower benefits than some individuals who do none of these.

Are people on Social Security getting $250? ›

* If you receive your Social Security or SSI benefit payment by direct deposit in your bank, we'll deposit the $250 one-time payment in your bank.

What is the biggest threat to Social Security? ›

Unfortunately, America's population of retirees currently is growing faster than its population of working-age individuals. As a result, the ratio of retirees receiving Social Security benefits to workers contributing payroll taxes has grown, creating a demographic challenge to the program.

How do I get the $16728 Social Security bonus? ›

Have you heard about the Social Security $16,728 yearly bonus? There's really no “bonus” that retirees can collect. The Social Security Administration (SSA) uses a specific formula based on your lifetime earnings to determine your benefit amount.

At what age is Social Security no longer taxed? ›

Social Security income can be taxable no matter how old you are. It all depends on whether your total combined income exceeds a certain level set for your filing status. You may have heard that Social Security income is not taxed after age 70; this is false.

Which president borrowed from the Social Security fund? ›

Since 1983, every US President has borrowed from Social Security to pay for government expenditures. However, there is no evidence that any of the presidents has stolen a dime from Social Security.

What will replace Social Security? ›

In the proposals presented to the Commission, the use of retirement bonds--and annuities based on bond accumulations- would also replace the entire benefit structure of Social Security for the future.

What will happen when Social Security runs out? ›

Reduced Benefits

If no changes are made before the fund runs out, the most likely result will be a reduction in the benefits that are paid out. If the only funds available to Social Security in 2033 are the current wage taxes being paid in, the administration would still be able to pay around 75% of promised benefits.

What happens to Social Security if the debt ceiling isn't raised? ›

Under normal conditions, the Treasury sends Social Security payments one month in arrears. That means the check you receive in June covers your benefits for the month of May. If the debt ceiling isn't raised, the Social Security payments due to be sent to beneficiaries in June would most likely still go out.

How do you get extra money added to your Social Security check? ›

Below are the nine ways to help boost Social Security benefits.
  1. Work for 35 Years. ...
  2. Wait Until at Least Full Retirement Age. ...
  3. Sign Up for Spousal Benefits. ...
  4. Receive a Dependent Benefit. ...
  5. Monitor Your Earnings. ...
  6. Watch for a Tax-Bracket Bump. ...
  7. Apply for Survivor Benefits. ...
  8. Check for Mistakes.

Why did I get $30 from Social Security? ›

Are in a public or private medical treatment facility and Medicaid is paying for more than half of the cost of your care. If you are in the facility for the whole month, your SSI benefit is limited to $30 (plus any supplementary State payment). We may lower the benefit if you have other income.

What to do when Social Security is not enough to live on? ›

Has your income declined or have you experienced a loss of financial resources? You may be able to get additional income through the Supplemental Security Income program, which helps seniors and the disabled who have limited income and financial resources.

What is the Social Security secret bonus? ›

There's really no “bonus” that retirees can collect. The Social Security Administration (SSA) uses a specific formula based on your lifetime earnings to determine your benefit amount.

What can cause you to lose your SSI? ›

However, the administration can revoke those benefits at any time, and you could lose them almost instantly. A few things could cause you to lose your monthly benefits, including jail time, getting a new job and divorce. Which type of benefits you're receiving also matters, which we'll explain below.

Why did I get an extra payment from Social Security this month? ›

The back-to-back deposits do not mean retirees are receiving extra money – it's just an early payment for the following month. This is slated to happen two more times this year, in August and November, according to a schedule of payments on the Social Security Administration's website.

Who is eligible for the Social Security bonus? ›

There is no specific “bonus” retirees can collect from the Social Security Administration. For example, you're not eligible to get a $5,000 bonus check on top of your regular benefits just because you worked in a specific career. Social Security doesn't randomly award money to people.

Why did I get a one-time payment from Social Security? ›

We may pay a one-time emergency advance payment to an individual initially applying for benefits who is presumptively eligible for SSI benefits and who has a financial emergency.

What is the highest Social Security payment? ›

The maximum Social Security benefit at full retirement age is $3,822 per month in 2024. It's $4,873 per month in 2024 if retiring at age 70 and $2,710 if retiring at age 62. A person's Social Security benefit amount depends on earnings, full retirement age and when they take benefits.

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